Abduction in Edoras Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

JennyHallu · 12-19-2006, 09:28 PM

Sounds good to me...

LMP, will Eodwine be making sure that planting and whatnot are taken care of at Sorn's estate? We wouldn't want the farmwork to get behind and waste the good land.

WARNING: I probably won't post in game until after Christmas. A lot going on the next few days, and we'll be heading to Indiana Thursday night. Yes, we're going to drive all night after working all day. So what? It'll surprise mummy.

littlemanpoet · 12-20-2006, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JennyHallu

LMP, will Eodwine be making sure that planting and whatnot are taken care of at Sorn's estate? We wouldn't want the farmwork to get behind and waste the good land.

Only if someone in-story recommends it. Eodwine's character is such that he wouldn't think of it himself, because though Eorl, he still hasn't gotten his mind around the whole idea that these c. 2500 square miles called the Middle Emnet are his business.

JennyHallu · 12-20-2006, 05:57 AM

Well I haven't got a character around who would recommend it (Lin's a little preoccupied...) either unless Marenil shows up for some reason. Poop.

littlemanpoet · 12-20-2006, 09:51 AM

I suppose Garstan might be able to think through his pain, or Thornden might suggest it. If it's not within their characters' purview, I guess it presents Marenil with a bigger challenge later...... ???

Firefoot · 12-20-2006, 03:16 PM

Woo, Indiana.

Save is filled. Tara, feel free to wound Scyld a little bit - and I'm sure he'd welcome the opportunity to do the same.

JennyHallu · 12-20-2006, 03:20 PM

I've done some research...planting needs to be done in March. Farming is a very time-sensitive thing. Eodwine was a farmer, wasn't he? I'm surprised he wouldn't think about it, whether or not he's used to it being his business. Fields left fallow unnecessarily are a wasteful wasteful thing.

littlemanpoet · 12-20-2006, 07:27 PM

So as this rpg is taking place in April-May, the planting was done by Sorn if at all. I'll give you that Eodwine would notice if fields are fallow that should be planted. He still wouldn't remember that it's his business; he'd see it as Sorn's relatives' business instead.

littlemanpoet · 01-06-2007, 07:42 PM

I'd like to post for Eodwine and the troops, but don't have a really clear idea of how close they are to the fight between Scyld and Sorn.

The way I have this pictured in my head is that there is a rough, hilly area just beyond Sorn's lands, up and into which Scyld and Linduial have led Sorn and Gurth. The first rise is where Sorn and Gurth were when Eodwine spotted them, at which time Scyld and Linduial may be supposed to have been already through the next small valley and climbing the next rough slope. My thinking is that by the time Eodwine and his closest fellows reach the crest of the first hill, Sorn will have just started attacking Scyld; and from the crest of the hill Eodwine and others could spot this and urge their horses on through the small valley and up the next hill, rather quickly.

Is that reasonably accurate?

I think that the deaths of Gurth and Sorn should occur just before Eodwine's force gets there, right?

Last, is this land too rough for horses? If it is, that greatly aids the timing issue by slowing down Eodwine and company so that the fights to the death, including Linduial's part in them, may ensue as far as the writers wish to take them.

Folwren · 01-06-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Last, is this land too rough for horses? If it is, that greatly aids the timing issue by slowing down Eodwine and company so that the fights to the death, including Linduial's part in them, may ensue as far as the writers wish to take them.

I would say that the land is not too rough for them. It may be too rough for them to go galloping over it, but they could probably take it at maybe a trot. Or, if you want them to go slower, you can make it so.

I can't answer any of your other questions.

-- Foley

Firefoot · 01-06-2007, 08:07 PM

Mostly I'd agree with Folwren, though I think the way Jenny and I were describing it, it was rather rocky, sometimes climbing over rocks (not huge ones, with Lin's wrist)... so perhaps the precise path that Lin and Scyld took wouldn't work for horses, but I'm sure they could manage.

I'd say that the rest of your post is fairly accurate.

I'll try to have a post up for Scyld tomorrow.

Does anyone know where Ang is? Last I checked, he hasn't been around since before Christmas sometime...

littlemanpoet · 01-06-2007, 08:11 PM

Okay, thanks. I thought it was kind of rocky with bushes, tussocks and scrub-trees instead of big ones like maples. If it's rocky, maybe it's a little sandy too? Or at least not so black and thick as elsewhere on the Eorling plain?

Anyway, I'll wait until after Firefoot posts before I do.

Anguirel · 01-07-2007, 11:30 AM

I'm about, though a hint about when Gurth should strike would be much appreciated...

littlemanpoet · 02-09-2007, 09:31 PM

I have a thought to put this to rest by means of a narrative after this fashion:

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Here the narrative stops. The author of this tale did not finish it for reasons unbeknownst to this loremaster. Related accounts seem to provide knowledge where this story lacks an ending, and it runs more or less thusly:

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Linduial suddenly rose and flourished her blade. Sorn saw her and paused in his fight with Scyld, his expression ravenous. He raised his blade to throw it at her. Scyld called for her to duck. But at that very moment, the giant Gurth came up the rise and Scyld set himself to fight two opponents at once. Sorn reached back to begin his throw as Linduial stood transfixed. Scyld yelled her name again. Sorn began his throw. Gurth reached out and caught his arm at the last moment, and Sorn's blade was sent flying off uselessly, and fell to the ground. Sorn screamed at Gurth and charged him. Gurth raised his weapon and clove Sorn from his neck down, even as Sorn's blade found Gurth's oversized heart beneath his ribs. Sorn dropped and never rose again. Gurth sank heavily to his knees, then tipped like a felled tree, and slid down the rough hillside. Linduial and Scyld looked away. Only then did the charging brigade come upon them. Scyld was arrested despite Linduial's protests. By the end of the day, Linduial was safe in Edoras and in the keeping of Queen Lothiriel.

Scholars differ as to the accuracy of this version, but it seems to best fit the story preceding it, and appears to have been written in a hand similar to that which penned the longer version.

An alternative to the above would be to copy this into your own next post and edit it to your liking, discussing as we go, until all writers are satisfied that the necessary points are included, and then story done.

Well, what do you think?

Firefoot · 02-10-2007, 06:12 AM

I think that something like that is what will need to happen.

I did talk to Jenny a few days ago over IM; she said that she has been really busy and off and on sick, and I didn't get any kind of indication of when she was planning on coming back.

So.

That leaves me in something of a pickle, because much of Scyld's development has hinged on Linduial and I had initially intended that his coming to the Mead Hall would depend somehow on her. That leaves two dilemmas: why would he come to the Hall, and why would he then continue to stay? As for his coming, I think that if he had been arrested he would have, upon release, fled the city to make a new life elsewhere.

So I think that I'm going to go with my original intention that Scyld not be arrested but make his narrow escape between Sorn's and Gurth's deaths and the arrival of the rescuers. (The point ultimately being that he still doesn't trust Linduial - and this is a post that I had really wanted to write... not sure how that would fit in, though... perhaps if I did it as flashback when I brought Scyld to the Mead Hall? That might work best.) That way, when he would come to the Mead Hall, his face would be anonymous, and he could easily assume a new name.

As an asside thought, say Scyld was arrested, what might the punishment be? Or was Linduial right that he would be granted pardon if she pleaded for him? Because I don't want that... it's way too easy.

Also, I believe Jenny made reference in her last post for Linduial in the Mead Hall that Scyld was still a fugitive from the law. (That's the other reason I really want her to come back... I want to know really badly what she has up her sleeve for Linduial.)

The staying is easier. Tara and I have already talked about a possible link between Scyld and Lys, and I could easily use that.

Make sense?

littlemanpoet · 02-11-2007, 04:11 PM

Firefoot, perhaps what needs to happen is for you to take the raw material of the post I provided above, and write it from Scyld's point of view, including his escape in the nick of time.

Jenny and I had discussed possibilities for Linduial, and what we had worked out was that Linduial was going to come back to Rohan as an ambassador of Dol Amroth and its surrounding territories over which it rules. This would put her in an interesting position vis a vi Eodwine and other Eorls, as well as vis a vi the King and Queen of Rohan. I'm not sure what Tolkien had in place in terms of ambassadorial immunities and whatnot. They would probably not be the kind we have in RL; however, her status as princess and ambassador would give Linduial a unique position in Eorling society and politics.

If you use my raw material, changing it to fit what works best for Scyld's story, maybe you can work in the skeleton of what kind of relationshp Scyld might have with such an ambassador?

Folwren · 02-11-2007, 07:27 PM

Firefoot,

I do hope you do something good with Skyld. He's an excellent character.

And it would be amazingly interesting if he did come to the Mead Hall and was somehow connected to Lys. That would be crazy and fun. Perhaps the first stir of Lys' memory would return to him! What sort of connection do you suppose it would be? I'd more than excited. Thornden's very closely attached to Lys already and if Skyld came in and somehow upset the boy, I'd be able to have fun with Thornden......

Elempi,

Your idea is good. We would write that last bit much more detailed, would we not? Somehow?

-- Folwren

Taralphiel · 02-12-2007, 03:47 AM

I'm back. The technical difficulties became much worse before they got better. Hopefully it's all fixed now.

I'm making a post a priority. I'm amining for tomorrow night.

- Tara

littlemanpoet · 02-20-2007, 02:39 PM

I shall be gone for approximately 41 days. I'm hopeful that something will happen with this rpg in the meantime. Maybe it could get finished. Eodwine and his troops could easily be handled in 3rd person from here on, I believe. Take care!

Anguirel · 02-21-2007, 04:17 PM

Added a plot twist I thought of just now...hope you all like the spot of poetic justice...

Taralphiel · 02-22-2007, 03:05 AM

Your post is amazing, Aguirel! Perfect touch, I love it! I wish my reputation wasn't telling me to be more sociable and spread the love around more.

I'm tempted to stall a little longer and wait for Jenny, but I do think this is what she was happy with. I'll write a post soon, and I hope I can lead on that thread of yours and do it some justice, Ang.

- Tara

littlemanpoet · 03-18-2007, 03:48 PM

Any intentions of continuing or finishing this rpg soon?

Firefoot · 03-18-2007, 04:04 PM

I have a final post written for Scyld. I had thought it would be better to wait for Sorn and Gurth to actually die first, and then I lost track of time... Should I wait? Or go ahead and post it?

12-19-2006, 09:28 PM	#1
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Sounds good to me... LMP, will Eodwine be making sure that planting and whatnot are taken care of at Sorn's estate? We wouldn't want the farmwork to get behind and waste the good land. WARNING: I probably won't post in game until after Christmas. A lot going on the next few days, and we'll be heading to Indiana Thursday night. Yes, we're going to drive all night after working all day. So what? It'll surprise mummy. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

12-20-2006, 05:57 AM	#3
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	Well I haven't got a character around who would recommend it (Lin's a little preoccupied...) either unless Marenil shows up for some reason. Poop. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

12-20-2006, 03:20 PM	#6
JennyHallu The Pearl, The Lily Maid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my luxury Barrow, snuggled up in a pile of satin pillows, eating fresh fruit. Posts: 1,628	I've done some research...planting needs to be done in March. Farming is a very time-sensitive thing. Eodwine was a farmer, wasn't he? I'm surprised he wouldn't think about it, whether or not he's used to it being his business. Fields left fallow unnecessarily are a wasteful wasteful thing. __________________ <=== Lookee, lookee, lots of IM handles!

01-07-2007, 11:30 AM	#12
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I'm about, though a hint about when Gurth should strike would be much appreciated... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-10-2007, 06:12 AM	#14
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Jumbled thoughts I think that something like that is what will need to happen. I did talk to Jenny a few days ago over IM; she said that she has been really busy and off and on sick, and I didn't get any kind of indication of when she was planning on coming back. So. That leaves me in something of a pickle, because much of Scyld's development has hinged on Linduial and I had initially intended that his coming to the Mead Hall would depend somehow on her. That leaves two dilemmas: why would he come to the Hall, and why would he then continue to stay? As for his coming, I think that if he had been arrested he would have, upon release, fled the city to make a new life elsewhere. So I think that I'm going to go with my original intention that Scyld not be arrested but make his narrow escape between Sorn's and Gurth's deaths and the arrival of the rescuers. (The point ultimately being that he still doesn't trust Linduial - and this is a post that I had really wanted to write... not sure how that would fit in, though... perhaps if I did it as flashback when I brought Scyld to the Mead Hall? That might work best.) That way, when he would come to the Mead Hall, his face would be anonymous, and he could easily assume a new name. As an asside thought, say Scyld was arrested, what might the punishment be? Or was Linduial right that he would be granted pardon if she pleaded for him? Because I don't want that... it's way too easy. Also, I believe Jenny made reference in her last post for Linduial in the Mead Hall that Scyld was still a fugitive from the law. (That's the other reason I really want her to come back... I want to know really badly what she has up her sleeve for Linduial.) The staying is easier. Tara and I have already talked about a possible link between Scyld and Lys, and I could easily use that. Make sense?

12-20-2006, 09:51 AM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I suppose Garstan might be able to think through his pain, or Thornden might suggest it. If it's not within their characters' purview, I guess it presents Marenil with a bigger challenge later...... ???

12-20-2006, 03:16 PM	#5
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Woo, Indiana. Save is filled. Tara, feel free to wound Scyld a little bit - and I'm sure he'd welcome the opportunity to do the same.

12-20-2006, 07:27 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	So as this rpg is taking place in April-May, the planting was done by Sorn if at all. I'll give you that Eodwine would notice if fields are fallow that should be planted. He still wouldn't remember that it's his business; he'd see it as Sorn's relatives' business instead.

01-06-2007, 07:42 PM	#8
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I'd like to post for Eodwine and the troops, but don't have a really clear idea of how close they are to the fight between Scyld and Sorn. The way I have this pictured in my head is that there is a rough, hilly area just beyond Sorn's lands, up and into which Scyld and Linduial have led Sorn and Gurth. The first rise is where Sorn and Gurth were when Eodwine spotted them, at which time Scyld and Linduial may be supposed to have been already through the next small valley and climbing the next rough slope. My thinking is that by the time Eodwine and his closest fellows reach the crest of the first hill, Sorn will have just started attacking Scyld; and from the crest of the hill Eodwine and others could spot this and urge their horses on through the small valley and up the next hill, rather quickly. Is that reasonably accurate? I think that the deaths of Gurth and Sorn should occur just before Eodwine's force gets there, right? Last, is this land too rough for horses? If it is, that greatly aids the timing issue by slowing down Eodwine and company so that the fights to the death, including Linduial's part in them, may ensue as far as the writers wish to take them.

01-06-2007, 08:07 PM	#10
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Mostly I'd agree with Folwren, though I think the way Jenny and I were describing it, it was rather rocky, sometimes climbing over rocks (not huge ones, with Lin's wrist)... so perhaps the precise path that Lin and Scyld took wouldn't work for horses, but I'm sure they could manage. I'd say that the rest of your post is fairly accurate. I'll try to have a post up for Scyld tomorrow. Does anyone know where Ang is? Last I checked, he hasn't been around since before Christmas sometime...

01-06-2007, 08:11 PM	#11
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okay, thanks. I thought it was kind of rocky with bushes, tussocks and scrub-trees instead of big ones like maples. If it's rocky, maybe it's a little sandy too? Or at least not so black and thick as elsewhere on the Eorling plain? Anyway, I'll wait until after Firefoot posts before I do.

02-11-2007, 04:11 PM	#15
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Firefoot, perhaps what needs to happen is for you to take the raw material of the post I provided above, and write it from Scyld's point of view, including his escape in the nick of time. Jenny and I had discussed possibilities for Linduial, and what we had worked out was that Linduial was going to come back to Rohan as an ambassador of Dol Amroth and its surrounding territories over which it rules. This would put her in an interesting position vis a vi Eodwine and other Eorls, as well as vis a vi the King and Queen of Rohan. I'm not sure what Tolkien had in place in terms of ambassadorial immunities and whatnot. They would probably not be the kind we have in RL; however, her status as princess and ambassador would give Linduial a unique position in Eorling society and politics. If you use my raw material, changing it to fit what works best for Scyld's story, maybe you can work in the skeleton of what kind of relationshp Scyld might have with such an ambassador?

02-11-2007, 07:27 PM	#16
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Firefoot, I do hope you do something good with Skyld. He's an excellent character. And it would be amazingly interesting if he did come to the Mead Hall and was somehow connected to Lys. That would be crazy and fun. Perhaps the first stir of Lys' memory would return to him! What sort of connection do you suppose it would be? I'd more than excited. Thornden's very closely attached to Lys already and if Skyld came in and somehow upset the boy, I'd be able to have fun with Thornden...... Elempi, Your idea is good. We would write that last bit much more detailed, would we not? Somehow? -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

02-12-2007, 03:47 AM	#17
Taralphiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Swan Wood Posts: 649	Quick note... I'm back. The technical difficulties became much worse before they got better. Hopefully it's all fixed now. I'm making a post a priority. I'm amining for tomorrow night. - Tara

02-20-2007, 02:39 PM	#18
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I shall be gone for approximately 41 days. I'm hopeful that something will happen with this rpg in the meantime. Maybe it could get finished. Eodwine and his troops could easily be handled in 3rd person from here on, I believe. Take care!

02-21-2007, 04:17 PM	#19
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Added a plot twist I thought of just now...hope you all like the spot of poetic justice... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-22-2007, 03:05 AM	#20
Taralphiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Swan Wood Posts: 649	Your post is amazing, Aguirel! Perfect touch, I love it! I wish my reputation wasn't telling me to be more sociable and spread the love around more. I'm tempted to stall a little longer and wait for Jenny, but I do think this is what she was happy with. I'll write a post soon, and I hope I can lead on that thread of yours and do it some justice, Ang. - Tara

03-18-2007, 03:48 PM	#21
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Any intentions of continuing or finishing this rpg soon?

03-18-2007, 04:04 PM	#22
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I have a final post written for Scyld. I had thought it would be better to wait for Sorn and Gurth to actually die first, and then I lost track of time... Should I wait? Or go ahead and post it?