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Old 10-19-2005, 10:46 AM   #59
Kuruharan
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Sorry - if Eru had created mere robots then He would be free to switch them off whenever He wanted. He didn't - He created sentient beings, who he will hold accountable for their actions. If Elves, Men & Hobbits are His children then He must be as accountable for His treatment of them as any parent would be.

You can't say, 'Well, He's their creator, so He can do as He likes with them.' If a parent decided to kill their child because it was 'best' for them, & would serve the greater good, we'd at least wonder about that parent's sanity & certainly question their love.
This does not follow. Parents are of the same type and order as their children. Eru was not (putting it mildly). The same rules don't apply.

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The final point I want to make is, if Eru was omniscient, & knew of (without necessarily causing) everything that would happen, then He knew all along, even before Smeaqgol was born, that He would cause his death - or at least bring it about.
Your point?

Gollum was born to die, like all other mortals. If you are going to accuse Eru of being a murderer, then it started waaaaaaaay back at the beginning when he decided that the Atani were going to experience death and leave the world.

Eru certainly showed little inclination to remove this rule from individuals. Ergo, he must be a murderer.

(Hint time: Eru was not "sacrificing" anything. He knew exactly where Gollum was going...)
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